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		<title>By: Mitigate the &#8220;fear of the thud&#8221; &#171; Kai&#39;s Tech Writing Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitigate the &#8220;fear of the thud&#8221; &#171; Kai&#39;s Tech Writing Blog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Johnson wonders &#8220;How Much Should You Document? Everything?&#8220;, and the comments discuss the virtues of doing it all versus doing it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Leaning Towards Longer Topics and Shorter TOCs &#124; I'd Rather Be Writing - Tom Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leaning Towards Longer Topics and Shorter TOCs &#124; I'd Rather Be Writing - Tom Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Alistair, Thanks for the comment. I really enjoy listening to your podcasts -- I hope you maintain your current pace. I can see how limited resources would force the question of what to document. I&#039;m also in an agile environment, albeit a bit slower one. I ensure the main features are documented at the time of release, but since I publish the help independently of the application code, I can always go back later and add more details. I often add the video tutorials after the release because there&#039;s just not time to create them the week before, especially when the UI is still in flux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Alistair, Thanks for the comment. I really enjoy listening to your podcasts &#8212; I hope you maintain your current pace. I can see how limited resources would force the question of what to document. I&#8217;m also in an agile environment, albeit a bit slower one. I ensure the main features are documented at the time of release, but since I publish the help independently of the application code, I can always go back later and add more details. I often add the video tutorials after the release because there&#8217;s just not time to create them the week before, especially when the UI is still in flux.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Gordon, Thanks for the detailed comment. I hadn&#039;t heard the phrase &quot;documentation-driven development&quot; before. Is that a situation where the tech writer is basically merging the use cases/design docs with the help? In other words, the developers look to the help material for their prototype and design info? If that&#039;s the case, it seems like developers would have to be strict in adherence to what they read; otherwise all the changes would drive the writers crazy. I hope you&#039;re enjoyed the UA conference over there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gordon, Thanks for the detailed comment. I hadn&#8217;t heard the phrase &#8220;documentation-driven development&#8221; before. Is that a situation where the tech writer is basically merging the use cases/design docs with the help? In other words, the developers look to the help material for their prototype and design info? If that&#8217;s the case, it seems like developers would have to be strict in adherence to what they read; otherwise all the changes would drive the writers crazy. I hope you&#8217;re enjoyed the UA conference over there.</p>
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		<title>By: Users Read Help Manuals Like an Encyclopedia, Not a Novel &#124; I'd Rather Be Writing - Tom Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Users Read Help Manuals Like an Encyclopedia, Not a Novel &#124; I'd Rather Be Writing - Tom Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: &#160; Size doesn&#8217;t always matter&#160;by&#160;Communications from DMN</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#160; Size doesn&#8217;t always matter&#160;by&#160;Communications from DMN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] former co-worker) a tome? Do you need to document everything? Tom Johnson convincingly argues that you should, but not put every bit of information into a single [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been pondering this for a while, since hearing the podcast as well.

The &quot;THUD&quot; is outdated IMHO, and whilst I may be lucky that we don&#039;t print our manuals, we still have a 900-odd page beast of a Developer&#039;s Guide to maintain. We&#039;ve yet to tackle cutting that down as, because we work in an Agile environment, we struggle to find time to do the &#039;non-writing&#039; tasks.

But we do try and document everything. Rather than making a cut of &quot;do or don&#039;t&quot; we try and make it &quot;lots or little&quot;, and whilst we occasional get the balance wrong, I&#039;d much rather a user complained that the documentation was missing information rather than just &quot;missing&quot;!!

One downside to Agile is the entire focus on the software, testing is usually included (or should be) as part of test-driven development, but as yet I&#039;ve not heard much mention of documentation-driven development... other than a blog post or two.

That said we are currently re-positioning the writers further up the information stream. Currently they sit with the development team, and document &#039;stuff&#039; as it is built (with a lag of a day or two). In the future we will write the user stories that the developers will then break down into tasks. In other words, we will write up the conceptual topics FIRST, before any other work starts.

That should allow us to get a good handle on the amount of documentation required for a given concept. However it does presume you have the correct ratio of writers vs developers, and yes, it is higher than you think!

Gordons last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.onemanwrites.co.uk/2008/09/15/ua-conference/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;UA Conference&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been pondering this for a while, since hearing the podcast as well.</p>
<p>The &#8220;THUD&#8221; is outdated IMHO, and whilst I may be lucky that we don&#8217;t print our manuals, we still have a 900-odd page beast of a Developer&#8217;s Guide to maintain. We&#8217;ve yet to tackle cutting that down as, because we work in an Agile environment, we struggle to find time to do the &#8216;non-writing&#8217; tasks.</p>
<p>But we do try and document everything. Rather than making a cut of &#8220;do or don&#8217;t&#8221; we try and make it &#8220;lots or little&#8221;, and whilst we occasional get the balance wrong, I&#8217;d much rather a user complained that the documentation was missing information rather than just &#8220;missing&#8221;!!</p>
<p>One downside to Agile is the entire focus on the software, testing is usually included (or should be) as part of test-driven development, but as yet I&#8217;ve not heard much mention of documentation-driven development&#8230; other than a blog post or two.</p>
<p>That said we are currently re-positioning the writers further up the information stream. Currently they sit with the development team, and document &#8216;stuff&#8217; as it is built (with a lag of a day or two). In the future we will write the user stories that the developers will then break down into tasks. In other words, we will write up the conceptual topics FIRST, before any other work starts.</p>
<p>That should allow us to get a good handle on the amount of documentation required for a given concept. However it does presume you have the correct ratio of writers vs developers, and yes, it is higher than you think!</p>
<p>Gordons last blog post..<a href="http://www.onemanwrites.co.uk/2008/09/15/ua-conference/" rel="nofollow">UA Conference</a></p>
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		<title>By: avi</title>
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		<dc:creator>avi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Documenting Installation / configuration / anything with command-line or code snippets, I document everything.
Documenting UI, however, I document less and less, leaving the reader room for exploring the UI on their own.

avis last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://israblog.nana10.co.il/blogread.asp?blog=102337&amp;blogcode=9882621&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;המטבח האובייקטיביסטי * האולטימטיבי&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Documenting Installation / configuration / anything with command-line or code snippets, I document everything.<br />
Documenting UI, however, I document less and less, leaving the reader room for exploring the UI on their own.</p>
<p>avis last blog post..<a href="http://israblog.nana10.co.il/blogread.asp?blog=102337&amp;blogcode=9882621" rel="nofollow">המטבח האובייקטיביסטי * האולטימטיבי</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alistair Christie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alistair Christie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of interesting thoughts here. I&#039;m glad our podcast help to kick off such a good discussion. 

True, online help allows you to document everything without the accompanying heart-sinking &quot;thud&quot; of a huge printed manual. But for us the issue is always: what are we going to document given our extremely limited resources?

For us, not only do most users never read the printed manuals, but most of our users never even clap eyes on a printed manual. So, although we are under fairly constant pressure to produce printed manuals (because of management expectations that there ought to be a stack of printed manuals because there always have been in the past), we try to keep uppermost in our minds: what are the users going to find most useful. And, much of the time, we have to narrow this down further to: what do users really NEED.

The great thing about doing documentation within an Agile team is just the fact of being embedded within that team and documenting alongside the developers with the aim of producing great documentation for each release. Prior to working in this way, we often did documentation retrospectively, so the docs sometimes lagged a release (or two) behind the software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of interesting thoughts here. I&#8217;m glad our podcast help to kick off such a good discussion. </p>
<p>True, online help allows you to document everything without the accompanying heart-sinking &#8220;thud&#8221; of a huge printed manual. But for us the issue is always: what are we going to document given our extremely limited resources?</p>
<p>For us, not only do most users never read the printed manuals, but most of our users never even clap eyes on a printed manual. So, although we are under fairly constant pressure to produce printed manuals (because of management expectations that there ought to be a stack of printed manuals because there always have been in the past), we try to keep uppermost in our minds: what are the users going to find most useful. And, much of the time, we have to narrow this down further to: what do users really NEED.</p>
<p>The great thing about doing documentation within an Agile team is just the fact of being embedded within that team and documenting alongside the developers with the aim of producing great documentation for each release. Prior to working in this way, we often did documentation retrospectively, so the docs sometimes lagged a release (or two) behind the software.</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; Weekly links roundup&#160;by&#160;Communications from DMN</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#160; Weekly links roundup&#160;by&#160;Communications from DMN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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