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		<title>By: Steph - Woud You Rather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph - Woud You Rather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s actually something I’ve been struggling with for a while. I typically prefer to follow a more minimal style; ask if something is essential or not and cut any topics that aren’t 100% essential. But lately, I’ve been really questioning this. It should be as simple as, “Does a user have a question about it?” If you ever get the question, you should answer it.

People often get aggravated when they see a 400 page manual; but if it’s well indexed, they’re going to be happy that it’s comprehensive. I guess, if findability is an issue, leaving things out probably isn’t the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s actually something I’ve been struggling with for a while. I typically prefer to follow a more minimal style; ask if something is essential or not and cut any topics that aren’t 100% essential. But lately, I’ve been really questioning this. It should be as simple as, “Does a user have a question about it?” If you ever get the question, you should answer it.</p>
<p>People often get aggravated when they see a 400 page manual; but if it’s well indexed, they’re going to be happy that it’s comprehensive. I guess, if findability is an issue, leaving things out probably isn’t the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: July Technical Linkdump &#124; Idiotprogrammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>July Technical Linkdump &#124; Idiotprogrammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 22:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I’ll blog more about this piece later. Lots about facets, labeling, reuse, links. I’ll dump some of the comments I have already on his series:  WordPress 3x now will offer more menu control, which should improve navigation considerably. - [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kay Robart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay Robart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I&#039;m posting this so late, but I just discovered this site. 

This topic poses a dilemma for me as a user that I&#039;m not always sure I&#039;m answering as a writer. As a relatively experienced user of software, I only look for help if I can&#039;t remember how to do something or if I am having a problem. It is interesting that Tom just had a revelation that answers aren&#039;t always in the help, because that is almost always my experience in this situation!

And I HATE knowledge bases and forums, as you are recommending, Larry, because I can never find anything using them. I do a broad search and get a couple of thousand entries. Who can sort through all that? I do a narrower search and get nothing. This is why I absolutely hate the direction Microsoft has gone with its help, because I usually just want to see the help files, not all the articles and related documents on the knowledge base. If the answer is in the help files. And I have only occasionally gotten useful responses from users on a forum. I don&#039;t think I&#039;m trying to do anything that unusual, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I&#8217;m posting this so late, but I just discovered this site. </p>
<p>This topic poses a dilemma for me as a user that I&#8217;m not always sure I&#8217;m answering as a writer. As a relatively experienced user of software, I only look for help if I can&#8217;t remember how to do something or if I am having a problem. It is interesting that Tom just had a revelation that answers aren&#8217;t always in the help, because that is almost always my experience in this situation!</p>
<p>And I HATE knowledge bases and forums, as you are recommending, Larry, because I can never find anything using them. I do a broad search and get a couple of thousand entries. Who can sort through all that? I do a narrower search and get nothing. This is why I absolutely hate the direction Microsoft has gone with its help, because I usually just want to see the help files, not all the articles and related documents on the knowledge base. If the answer is in the help files. And I have only occasionally gotten useful responses from users on a forum. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m trying to do anything that unusual, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, interesting approach re: writing help before answering users&#039; questions. I agree that pointing people to the docs whenever possible may open their eyes to its helpfulness. A tricky part about your approach is if a review process is needed before the writer can publish the help update, that delays the response to the user. That&#039;s where a community approach like Larry suggested may alleviate the problem because at least the answer is out there before it can officially get incorporated into the docs (if you go that direction).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, interesting approach re: writing help before answering users&#8217; questions. I agree that pointing people to the docs whenever possible may open their eyes to its helpfulness. A tricky part about your approach is if a review process is needed before the writer can publish the help update, that delays the response to the user. That&#8217;s where a community approach like Larry suggested may alleviate the problem because at least the answer is out there before it can officially get incorporated into the docs (if you go that direction).</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Nagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 02:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, great long article. Really one of the best things I&#039;ve found on the web.  Ironically I read it while putting off having to write a book chapter about CMS navigation. 

A few random thoughts about the series: 

- Wordpress 3x now will offer more menu control, which should improve navigation considerably. 
- one reason Google sucks for finding technical answers is that Google is a commercial enterprise and can easily be gamed. 
- facets are interesting, but they are dependent on your help platform. Also they are useful mainly if the users are performing different functions. 
- ebooks are an interesting hybrid medium (and one I&#039;m working on right now). Lots of alternate navigation/browsing methods plus better use of hyperlinks. 
- agree that mediawiki&#039;s templates make it easier to organize content. But if they are autogenerated (and not watched over by a human editor), they become useless. 
--thanks for reminding me that wp search results are in chronological order! 
-- I think your problem in the first or second part about shallow help pages is a result of a schema like DITA which tends to segment things too narrowly. 
-- it helps to know how your audience looks for information. A lot of It staff (my target audience) will use search before anything. 
-- the big problem is that people never know what to search for. All they know is how to describe their problem. I think a glossary can help with that. 
- I&#039;m a wordy/prose-oriented person. It was a shock to me when people found it hard to find information in my dense prose. Labels are important -- maybe the most important thing...
--that said, for conceptual things, people like content which is a readable chapter. 
--hypertextuality has a down side, especially if you need to remove a subset of the docs (for a quick start or something like that). 

Alistair -- I agree about the problem of documenting things which are obvious to the user. I&#039;ve written elsewhere that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imaginaryplanet.net/weblogs/idiotprogrammer/2007/10/why-users-dont-read-documentation-technical-writing-secrets/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;screen shots are unnecessary if the GUI is well-designed &lt;/a&gt; and should only be used in special circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, great long article. Really one of the best things I&#8217;ve found on the web.  Ironically I read it while putting off having to write a book chapter about CMS navigation. </p>
<p>A few random thoughts about the series: </p>
<p>- WordPress 3x now will offer more menu control, which should improve navigation considerably.<br />
- one reason Google sucks for finding technical answers is that Google is a commercial enterprise and can easily be gamed.<br />
- facets are interesting, but they are dependent on your help platform. Also they are useful mainly if the users are performing different functions.<br />
- ebooks are an interesting hybrid medium (and one I&#8217;m working on right now). Lots of alternate navigation/browsing methods plus better use of hyperlinks.<br />
- agree that mediawiki&#8217;s templates make it easier to organize content. But if they are autogenerated (and not watched over by a human editor), they become useless.<br />
&#8211;thanks for reminding me that wp search results are in chronological order!<br />
&#8211; I think your problem in the first or second part about shallow help pages is a result of a schema like DITA which tends to segment things too narrowly.<br />
&#8211; it helps to know how your audience looks for information. A lot of It staff (my target audience) will use search before anything.<br />
&#8211; the big problem is that people never know what to search for. All they know is how to describe their problem. I think a glossary can help with that.<br />
- I&#8217;m a wordy/prose-oriented person. It was a shock to me when people found it hard to find information in my dense prose. Labels are important &#8212; maybe the most important thing&#8230;<br />
&#8211;that said, for conceptual things, people like content which is a readable chapter.<br />
&#8211;hypertextuality has a down side, especially if you need to remove a subset of the docs (for a quick start or something like that). </p>
<p>Alistair &#8212; I agree about the problem of documenting things which are obvious to the user. I&#8217;ve written elsewhere that <a href="http://www.imaginaryplanet.net/weblogs/idiotprogrammer/2007/10/why-users-dont-read-documentation-technical-writing-secrets/" rel="nofollow">screen shots are unnecessary if the GUI is well-designed </a> and should only be used in special circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this post.

It&#039;s actually something I&#039;ve been struggling with for a while. I typically prefer to follow a more minimal style; ask if something is essential or not and cut any topics that aren&#039;t 100% essential. But lately, I&#039;ve been really questioning this. It should be as simple as, &quot;Does a user have a question about it?&quot; If you ever get the question, you should answer it. 

People often get aggravated when they see a 400 page manual; but if it&#039;s well indexed, they&#039;re going to be happy that it&#039;s comprehensive. I guess, if findability is an issue, leaving things out probably isn&#039;t the answer. 

Anyway, thanks for the post. Definitely digging it.

-Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this post.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually something I&#8217;ve been struggling with for a while. I typically prefer to follow a more minimal style; ask if something is essential or not and cut any topics that aren&#8217;t 100% essential. But lately, I&#8217;ve been really questioning this. It should be as simple as, &#8220;Does a user have a question about it?&#8221; If you ever get the question, you should answer it. </p>
<p>People often get aggravated when they see a 400 page manual; but if it&#8217;s well indexed, they&#8217;re going to be happy that it&#8217;s comprehensive. I guess, if findability is an issue, leaving things out probably isn&#8217;t the answer. </p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for the post. Definitely digging it.</p>
<p>-Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 23:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Chris Martin +1
“Help” doesn’t have to be “the help file/system”

Totally agree and this is how one of the groups I worked with recently approached in-house application development, and how I&#039;ve been setting up open-source CMS&#039; too. This is that &#039;point-of-need-learning&#039; or information need I think I may have mentioned previously. 

I also don&#039;t consider it embarrassing at all to ask for it this way and not have to poke around in a help file. Today&#039;s knowledge workers are busy as ever, tasked with being as productive as possible (it&#039;s a global market place now folks; more competition). Having to run a series of tasks and actions just to get that little bit of information is wasted effort and inefficient; unable to effect or achieve the desired result with reasonable economy of means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Chris Martin +1<br />
“Help” doesn’t have to be “the help file/system”</p>
<p>Totally agree and this is how one of the groups I worked with recently approached in-house application development, and how I&#8217;ve been setting up open-source CMS&#8217; too. This is that &#8216;point-of-need-learning&#8217; or information need I think I may have mentioned previously. </p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t consider it embarrassing at all to ask for it this way and not have to poke around in a help file. Today&#8217;s knowledge workers are busy as ever, tasked with being as productive as possible (it&#8217;s a global market place now folks; more competition). Having to run a series of tasks and actions just to get that little bit of information is wasted effort and inefficient; unable to effect or achieve the desired result with reasonable economy of means.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Help&quot; doesn&#039;t have to be &quot;the help file/system&quot;, you know. We tend to forget that. A well-designed error message--here&#039;s what just happened, here&#039;s what you might want to do to make this message go away--goes a long way. People want helpful error messages. I know, getting to work on messaging isn&#039;t always possible or practical, but it should be. 

For example, here&#039;s one I got this morning: ARERR [8703] Bad attachment size

What that really means is, you can&#039;t attach anything larger than 2 MBs. And you can only attach certain kinds of files. I&#039;d like to be told that here because (embarassing as this is to admit), I really don&#039;t want to go poke around in the help file. Just tell me what&#039;s up so I can keep going, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Help&#8221; doesn&#8217;t have to be &#8220;the help file/system&#8221;, you know. We tend to forget that. A well-designed error message&#8211;here&#8217;s what just happened, here&#8217;s what you might want to do to make this message go away&#8211;goes a long way. People want helpful error messages. I know, getting to work on messaging isn&#8217;t always possible or practical, but it should be. </p>
<p>For example, here&#8217;s one I got this morning: ARERR [8703] Bad attachment size</p>
<p>What that really means is, you can&#8217;t attach anything larger than 2 MBs. And you can only attach certain kinds of files. I&#8217;d like to be told that here because (embarassing as this is to admit), I really don&#8217;t want to go poke around in the help file. Just tell me what&#8217;s up so I can keep going, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the biggest problem I have encountered with finding info in Help is simply one of terminology. Often writers will rigidly stick to the terminology of the tool and not consider wider naming possibilities that users could be using, particularly if they also use other tools, each potentially with their own terminology.

As Steven above pointed out in his entry on finding info on using accents in Word, how many times does a user get stuck at the start simply trying to figure out, &quot;What&#039;s my problem called??&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the biggest problem I have encountered with finding info in Help is simply one of terminology. Often writers will rigidly stick to the terminology of the tool and not consider wider naming possibilities that users could be using, particularly if they also use other tools, each potentially with their own terminology.</p>
<p>As Steven above pointed out in his entry on finding info on using accents in Word, how many times does a user get stuck at the start simply trying to figure out, &#8220;What&#8217;s my problem called??&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kristi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without knowing which of the users will use what, one could spend all of one&#039;s time documenting the basic tasks and changes to those tasks for each release of a complex project, not leaving any time for document improvements. The help system could grow and grow without becoming more searchable, or sophisticated, or well-labeled.

If writers in a department are supporting multiple complex projects, the best way to get everything &quot;done&quot; can be to do the bare minimum of getting a change documented, without ever improving the contextual information about how the features interact with each other.

If a company has many products, clients, configurations, user types, etc., it&#039;s a large task to keep straight who needs what information. But perhaps some of those user types are just not going to use the help system. They&#039;re going to call their IT people, or their questions are rare and specific enough that they will use a knowledge base or user list. Or, conversely, maybe they are the only people who will use help, and so we should scrap the basic tasks and go right to the complex topics. 

It can be tough to justify stopping the merry-go-round of deliverables in order to survey the passengers, per se, but at least after that, one could stop writing for those who aren&#039;t riding. 

When I use a help system, I don&#039;t expect all the answers to be there. I know I might have to venture to the forums or call support. I do, however, expect to be able to quickly determine whether the information in the help system or not. With a wide, shallow help system that has good labeling, I can do that. I can open one or two books and be satisfied that I&#039;m finished looking.

That&#039;s less likely to happen to me, though, if the writers are well versed in what users like me are looking for. It&#039;s time-consuming to gather that information, but it saves effort and money in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without knowing which of the users will use what, one could spend all of one&#8217;s time documenting the basic tasks and changes to those tasks for each release of a complex project, not leaving any time for document improvements. The help system could grow and grow without becoming more searchable, or sophisticated, or well-labeled.</p>
<p>If writers in a department are supporting multiple complex projects, the best way to get everything &#8220;done&#8221; can be to do the bare minimum of getting a change documented, without ever improving the contextual information about how the features interact with each other.</p>
<p>If a company has many products, clients, configurations, user types, etc., it&#8217;s a large task to keep straight who needs what information. But perhaps some of those user types are just not going to use the help system. They&#8217;re going to call their IT people, or their questions are rare and specific enough that they will use a knowledge base or user list. Or, conversely, maybe they are the only people who will use help, and so we should scrap the basic tasks and go right to the complex topics. </p>
<p>It can be tough to justify stopping the merry-go-round of deliverables in order to survey the passengers, per se, but at least after that, one could stop writing for those who aren&#8217;t riding. </p>
<p>When I use a help system, I don&#8217;t expect all the answers to be there. I know I might have to venture to the forums or call support. I do, however, expect to be able to quickly determine whether the information in the help system or not. With a wide, shallow help system that has good labeling, I can do that. I can open one or two books and be satisfied that I&#8217;m finished looking.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s less likely to happen to me, though, if the writers are well versed in what users like me are looking for. It&#8217;s time-consuming to gather that information, but it saves effort and money in the long run.</p>
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